This is an interview with Mark Oherberg, co-ordinator of an Inclusive Recreation Project in the USA. The organisation assists families to assist their child with disability to participate in recreation programs together with same aged peers without disability. Mark argues that recreation is a crucial way of breaking down barriers between people with and without disability, allowing children with disability to belong in the 'real world' and to be valued as 'real people'. The highlight of this article is the numerous anecdotes provided, which illustrate how the organisation successfully brainstormed innovative solutions which allowed children to find happiness and friendship in inclusive recreation programs tailored to their unique interests.